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Re: Character Discussion

Unread postby Aldraia Dragonsong » April 1st, 2011, 2:58 pm

So I was wondering... what are the requirements for special jonin and jonin rank? Are there tests of some sort like the chunin exams, or what?
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Re: Character Discussion

Unread postby Phht » April 1st, 2011, 4:46 pm

To achieve the rank of Special Jounin, a Chunin must show Jounin level skill in an area of specialization. Examiners also look for solid Chunin skills and sufficient experience in the tested field. In general, going for the promotion test with Advanced specialization certification for that field makes things go more smoothly and shows that a ninja is not possibly wasting time with the attempt.
If it's a skill that has an E-S ranking, A or S-rank in it. For the other stuff, I put the specialization certification level in there. Of course, most people don't use the specialization stuff since it's on the wiki but not the character sheet on forums. C to B-rank in the 5-6 skills (I generally don't count juinjutsu for those type requirements) listed on the character sheet as well.

Other than that, (google RP docs says 6+ months as Chunin, or 24+ months since one failed Jounin Exam competency check stage. Need to add that to wiki) they just contact... whoever is responsible for doing those tests (maybe the Advanced Training Center?) to apply for Special Jounin testing with <x> specialization (getting a SpJounin or Jounin recommendation in support wouldn't hurt). Do a field test of sorts to display one's competency in the area being pursued. Hokage looks over the results and yay/nays promotion.
Becoming a Jounin is one of the most demanding exams a ninja takes. They need to have B-rank or higher skills across the board in the core skills to even be considered for promotion, and then they undergo a grueling series of tests and review of their entire career and personnel jacket. If they make the cut after all of that, they are given a mission - either real or fake - that they'll perform. The mission report by an observer or two on the team is used to further weed out candidates. The candidates still in the running are presented in a report to the village's leader, who then approves or denies promotion of each candidate.
I think this part is pretty self-explanatory. Jounin Exams are once a year. Needs to be 6+ months since last exam, and a ninja can request to be put into the Exam, but failing the competency check stage after doing so bars the ninja from promotion for 24 months. If you take and fail it 3 times in a row, you're barred from taking it for 36 months.

One to two week long Competency Check stage, covering knowledge and B-S rank skill in the various stats (excepting juinjutsu). If the Field test (mission) hasn't be done yet, the candidate is assigned one after clearing the competency check. While Field Tests are being done, the career/personnel jacket reviews take place. The results of the review plus the results of the field test are considered before recommending the person for promotion. Hokage reviews the list and yay/nays the ninja on it. Chunin that get to the panel of judges but aren't recommended can be recommended for Special Jounin.

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Your person would need Taijutsu and Fuinjutsu up a rank before they could be considered for Sp Jounin, likely medic ninja specialization. Or they could hold off, push all their skills up to B or higher, and just go for Jounin.

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A bit late, but is Taru's skill with archery why he has the B-rank in Taijutsu? If so, you might want to reverse your Tai and Sougu stats. Tai's melee combat only.
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Re: Character Discussion

Unread postby gamebrain89 » April 1st, 2011, 9:56 pm

Ok, I'll fix that. I was applying his training with the tanto in the tai as well, So I might have to reverse those and change the Tai to a C to reflect that.
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Re: Character Discussion

Unread postby Phht » April 1st, 2011, 11:06 pm

The rule of thumb I've set for the RP is: if you can make a solid line from you to the other person (punch, kick, sword strike, bo strike, etc can do this), it's Tai. Archery doesn't provide that because the air between the bow, the arrow, and the target, so it's Sougujutsu.
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Re: Character Discussion

Unread postby Phht » April 16th, 2011, 9:44 pm

Tempest, I just got wondering after seeing your jutsu addition to the wiki - does your guy have Youton (Lava Release)?

Because I just realized that you're combining two different elements to create a single technique alone (as opposed to when Yamato and Naruto combined two jutsu to make a bigger one) before a third, external, element is added to it. Or is the use of Raiton by someone else to stabilize it a requirement because he doesn't actually have the bloodline (well, that or sufficient training in using it properly) to pull off the technique?
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Re: Character Discussion

Unread postby Tempest Kitsune » April 16th, 2011, 9:50 pm

Without the Raiton element added in, he can't use the jutsu. I didn't want to give my guy any of those bloodline abilities, thus the stabilization effect of the Raiton. Think of it as someone using a whisk to get the lumps out of a mix while someone else is pouring in ingredients with both hands.
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Re: Character Discussion

Unread postby Phht » April 16th, 2011, 10:17 pm

Gotcha. I was going to tidy up the entry a bit, and what type it was got me wondering. And for (my) ease of mind, I just created the 'Ninpo' type option for case by case use regarding things like this. Oh, and I added a link for Mongoose summons page, should you decide to do up that entry at some point. :)
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Re: Character Discussion

Unread postby JamestheFox » September 25th, 2011, 9:18 pm

Thread: :brains___!:


Just wondering what the interest would be for an artist's illustration of the various PCs in the RP.

I'm currently thinking of doing each of the PCs listed in the Konoha Nin/Allied Personel thread + the Wiki's Persons Thread... Possibly followed by any enemies from the previous and ongoing missions, if I can dredge up enough of a description.

The style wouldn't be too complicated. I'm thinking of doing a chibi style, something like...

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Re: Character Discussion

Unread postby gman391 » September 25th, 2011, 10:01 pm

Personally I say go nuts but that's just me.
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Re: Character Discussion

Unread postby Random_fan » September 25th, 2011, 10:06 pm

I agree, if you want to do it go for it.
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Re: Character Discussion

Unread postby JamestheFox » September 26th, 2011, 12:31 am

I'm currently looking through the first page of the dossiers (and cross referencing with the Wiki), and I have Sugiura and Takuma's lineart done in pencil... When I've done the pen version, unless anyone has issues or a better idea for a location, I'll set up a new thread for Character designs (or maybe attach the art to the wiki's page?).
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Re: Character Discussion

Unread postby Tempest Kitsune » September 26th, 2011, 12:31 am

Sure man, I'd be interested in seeing it.
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Re: Character Discussion

Unread postby Aldraia Dragonsong » September 26th, 2011, 1:49 am

I am with Gman, that sounds really neat.
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Re: Character Discussion

Unread postby Phht » September 26th, 2011, 2:08 am

I've got no problems. Though I should point out that we have 300MB total for files (uploaded) on the wiki, and a 25MB cap per file. Not that I expect any pics to hit that per file cap, but thought I should mention it just to be clear. :)

Oh, and wikidot added a 'connect to facebook' option. If you have a wikidot account, you can link and it'll use FB profile pic for icon. Or if you don't have a wikidot account, doing connect to facebook shortcuts around the majority of the registration process to get one.

EDIT: As a note: Tomorrow (or I guess tonight, since it's after midnight my time zone), I'll be going in and updating the wiki to include all characters added after ~Feb 10th. So if your character falls after Hai in the thread and want to make changes, do so before then. ;)

And I guess update the link for Tsukiko since her original post vanished. I should point out that if Kazuki, Ushio, Kenta, Ichigo, Sho, and Hai are all still active at the time the Chuunin Exams occur, we have enough people for two 3-person teams to enter.
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Re: Character Discussion

Unread postby spudman » December 6th, 2011, 2:22 am

I posted a skype conversation with ewuvi in the NPC thread, but she made a point related to this one. Putting unused characters up for adoption.
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Re: Character Discussion

Unread postby ewuvi » December 6th, 2011, 2:25 am

especially ones that the users didn't come back after the Great Forum Crash.
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Re: Character Discussion

Unread postby Phht » February 15th, 2012, 1:47 am

Regarding Ningen Koumori:

I think the biggest issue here is his former position. If he was the leader of Kiri's ANBU-equiv and he went missing-nin... why the hell would Konoha accept him into their village? Politically, I'm pretty sure that'd kick off a war. Also, if he was ANBU Commander equiv and abandoned one village, why would Konoha trust him to be in their ANBU. For that matter, I have difficulty believing that Kiri would put someone in that role that wasn't loyal to the village. This guy left and supposedly joined Konoha, so he couldn't have been that loyal. Also, I can't see how any of his former subordinates would remain in contact with a traitor to their village.

I'm not going to comment on the size of his bounty, though Asuma had only a 35 million bounty at the time he died. Though the bounty conflicts with his Bingo Book ranking. If he's flee-on-sight except in very specific circumstances, why would they put a "death warrant" out for the guy?

The other big issue is one Tempest pointed out. The Nara clan has all sorts of expertise with using shadows, and if the shadow meld thing was possible, they'd be the ones to show it (and there've been several great points to use it in the manga) and they haven't. It seems bizarre that someone else would somehow manage to figure out something that no Nara member has, particularly since "can move freely and instantly through them" means he'd probably be moving around on par with the Yondaime Hokage signature technique. The other technique sounds like a "ninjutsu" version of the Kokuangyou no Jutsu technique used during the Suna-Oto Invasion, and I'm not entirely sure that wouldn't run into the issue of if that's even possible with ninjutsu.

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Re: Character Discussion

Unread postby Phht » April 2nd, 2012, 12:22 pm

Both of these are pretty well made.

EDIT: Note: All comments below are personal opinion. Also, I'm only really looking at how well the character meshes together as a believable PC, not how well the character would connect into the RP.

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On Ojike Raito:
One thing that bugs me is... when you say "any ninjutsu beyond manipulating pure chakra" do you mean any jutsu, or ninjutsu specifically? Because if he can't do ninjutsu specifically, there's still genjutsu. The high chakra control would be a plus there. Related to that, how is it that the chakra arrow technique takes up 30% of his chakra because of his "poor" control, yet he has chakra control stat 7? Sounds contradictory.

Also, are you aware that swords and other melee weapons fall under Taijutsu rather than Sougujutsu? (just checking) Thrown weapons and weapons like the Bow are Sougujutsu, but weapons aren't all relegated to that category. And I can't help but wonder how his dad died from swords given the strength 2. Nicked a major artery/vein, got a neck/head shot, or something?

Only other thing to note is... where do you see this character going in the future, and how do you see this character growing over time?

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First, I'll apologize about the lack of fuinjutsu stuff on the wiki. I still don't fully grasp the difference between fuinjutsu and juinjutsu, so I've been putting off doing anything on those sections to avoid putting bad info in there. leafninja.com and narutopedia would probably serve well to see fuinjutsu - though I don't see any listed on leafninja that is below C-rank. All the stuff ranked is C-S. OTOH, there's only 4-5 examples of juinjutsu known (Orochimaru's cursed seals - 7ish examples of those -, the Caged Bird Seal, that Yamanaka technique, and Danzo's 1-2 juinjutsu). Now, the tags. The ranking on the tags aren't indicators of how strong you should be to use them (which would fall under sougujutsu anyhow) or what skill level you need to make them. For example, my guy is only Fuin C / Sougu B, but he was expending S-rank drain tags his last mission. It's indicating the strength of the tag (or in the case of breach tags, how they work as well). Though, it could also be an indicator of cost. Also, given that the result of the breach tag changes by rank, you might want to label their rank. Only other thing of note is that E-rank drain tags are for 'disarming' a primed tag, and D-rank drain tags do not exist.

You could make use of the more detailed specialization certificates stuff on the wiki here. In particular, the Fuinjutsu and Sealing Specialist (Basic level) which would indicate that the village feels you have the skill and knowledge to craft up to C-rank seals AND can give/sell the seals to others. With Demolitions (Basic), he has the training for basic Type III tag use (and thus wouldn't get in trouble for using those breach tags).

You should probably do a graduation year and some team background, if only because your guy is 15 and still a genin. Barring Sho, most of the current genin graduated ~11-13. And Sho was at 14, which still means a full year as a genin before now. Also, given that he's been a genin for something like 1-4 years, you should probably bump the Ninjutsu stat to D. He should know Henge/Bunshin/Kawarimi, his sensei should've taught him tree climbing by now, and possibly some low level ninjutsu (maybe a few from the Travelling Ten group) at worst. Maybe knows water walking as well. So E-rank would be too low at this point.
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Re: Character Discussion

Unread postby Zankaru Zelladonii » April 4th, 2012, 11:34 am

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Both of these are pretty well made.

EDIT: Note: All comments below are personal opinion. Also, I'm only really looking at how well the character meshes together as a believable PC, not how well the character would connect into the RP.

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On Ojike Raito:
One thing that bugs me is... when you say "any ninjutsu beyond manipulating pure chakra" do you mean any jutsu, or ninjutsu specifically? Because if he can't do ninjutsu specifically, there's still genjutsu. The high chakra control would be a plus there. Related to that, how is it that the chakra arrow technique takes up 30% of his chakra because of his "poor" control, yet he has chakra control stat 7? Sounds contradictory.

Also, are you aware that swords and other melee weapons fall under Taijutsu rather than Sougujutsu? (just checking) Thrown weapons and weapons like the Bow are Sougujutsu, but weapons aren't all relegated to that category. And I can't help but wonder how his dad died from swords given the strength 2. Nicked a major artery/vein, got a neck/head shot, or something?

Only other thing to note is... where do you see this character going in the future, and how do you see this character growing over time?

Oops, thought I put the control lower. Ninjutsu and genjutsu both, mostly just uses things like tree climbing, Gates, etc. No I was not, thought all weapons fell under 'tools', thanks! Something like that, yeah, you don't have to be very strong to cut someone with a sword.

Just a straight mission jounin right now, ANBU are too busy/secretive to run around with non-ANBU and he is obviously never going to have a genin team. Other than archery, wanting to make him into a trap-master. Once he gets his control higher he will be able to transfer his chakra to other people like he does with weapons, if that kind of thing is allowed. Hopefully he will run into a situation where he has to use a melee weapon, and can start getting over his fear of using them. Near high-chunin level he should be able to start using low suiton techniques, but never anything higher than B rank.
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Re: Character Discussion

Unread postby gamebrain89 » April 4th, 2012, 4:37 pm

Taru on Ojike.

"Hey another Archer! Sweet! Must resist urge to turn him into my minon...Obaasan probably wouldn't like that."

Anyway. I missed a bunch of that stuff for fuinjutsu too, and seeing as Taru is supposed to have training in making tags, his own seals, ect. He would probably have one of those certs right? Most likely the Intermediate level reading over it. Thoughts?
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Re: Character Discussion

Unread postby Ristridin » April 6th, 2012, 3:49 pm

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On Kamizuki Kotetsu:
First, I'll apologize about the lack of fuinjutsu stuff on the wiki. I still don't fully grasp the difference between fuinjutsu and juinjutsu, so I've been putting off doing anything on those sections to avoid putting bad info in there. leafninja.com and narutopedia would probably serve well to see fuinjutsu - though I don't see any listed on leafninja that is below C-rank. All the stuff ranked is C-S. OTOH, there's only 4-5 examples of juinjutsu known (Orochimaru's cursed seals - 7ish examples of those -, the Caged Bird Seal, that Yamanaka technique, and Danzo's 1-2 juinjutsu). Now, the tags. The ranking on the tags aren't indicators of how strong you should be to use them (which would fall under sougujutsu anyhow) or what skill level you need to make them. For example, my guy is only Fuin C / Sougu B, but he was expending S-rank drain tags his last mission. It's indicating the strength of the tag (or in the case of breach tags, how they work as well). Though, it could also be an indicator of cost. Also, given that the result of the breach tag changes by rank, you might want to label their rank. Only other thing of note is that E-rank drain tags are for 'disarming' a primed tag, and D-rank drain tags do not exist.

You could make use of the more detailed specialization certificates stuff on the wiki here. In particular, the Fuinjutsu and Sealing Specialist (Basic level) which would indicate that the village feels you have the skill and knowledge to craft up to C-rank seals AND can give/sell the seals to others. With Demolitions (Basic), he has the training for basic Type III tag use (and thus wouldn't get in trouble for using those breach tags).

You should probably do a graduation year and some team background, if only because your guy is 15 and still a genin. Barring Sho, most of the current genin graduated ~11-13. And Sho was at 14, which still means a full year as a genin before now. Also, given that he's been a genin for something like 1-4 years, you should probably bump the Ninjutsu stat to D. He should know Henge/Bunshin/Kawarimi, his sensei should've taught him tree climbing by now, and possibly some low level ninjutsu (maybe a few from the Travelling Ten group) at worst. Maybe knows water walking as well. So E-rank would be too low at this point.
Thanks for the help. D rank drain was a mistake indeed; changed that to C rank. Ninjutsu is upped to D and I gave Kotetsu the lightning techniques from the travelling ten. I added some information about the original team; his former team mates became chunin already. Playing an entire team by myself didn't seem very interesting. That's also why I didn't flesh out his team mates very much, though I might still do so at a later time if necessary/useful.
Even though Kotetsu now has some former team mates, he still needs a full team to take the exams I guess. What would be the best way to go about that? Of course, any comments about the information I added are welcome as well. :)
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Re: Character Discussion

Unread postby Phht » April 6th, 2012, 8:39 pm

Anyway. I missed a bunch of that stuff for fuinjutsu too, and seeing as Taru is supposed to have training in making tags, his own seals, ect. He would probably have one of those certs right? Most likely the Intermediate level reading over it. Thoughts?
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If you're talking about missing the specialization stuff, it's not a surprise you missed it. The current character sheet on the forum lacks mention of it (as specialization stuff was added some time after that was created) and it wasn't really obvious it was around if you just looked at the forums and didn't explore all parts of the wiki. As a result, it's a barely touched on optional thing. :)

And lacking the specialization stuff doesn't mean that he doesn't have the training or skills. It's like a Special Jounin. A Chunin could have a skill or two or whatever that could qualify them for becoming Special Jounin, but nothing says that they have to go show that and get promoted. Just keep in mind that getting to Advanced level would be quite time consuming for most things.
That's also why I didn't flesh out his team mates very much, though I might still do so at a later time if necessary/useful.
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I know what you mean. I killed off one of my teammates and made the other some random jounin that we'd probably never see, to reduce chances of needing to flesh them out more. ;)

As to a genin team... that's trickier! We have/had two active genin. And another person seems to be coming back that had a genin. At which point we have a full set. If the other two genin available (Hai and Kenta, IIRC) get active, then we can field two genin teams. Or maybe one of the "active" genin disappears and we don't have to worry about fitting teams.

(or I guess we could do a 4-person team? Hm.)
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Maybe I'm misinterpreting what I'm reading. When I see "could not preform any ninjutsu beyond manipulating pure chakra", I start wondering why. He has chakra capacity, and he has chakra control. He can do water walking/etc, so his system isn't underdeveloped. Which leaves me going "then how come he can't use jutsu other than shape manipulation or control exercises?" The only thing I can think of is either that his hands and/or fingers are deformed enough to prevent performing hand seals while not inhibiting sword/bow/etc usage, or doing hand seals somehow doesn't mold his chakra any like they should.

This led me to want to ask why Konoha would bother making him a genin (if only because safely teaching him most jutsu would be quite time consuming), but as I thought it over a lot, I remembered Tenten and her lack of jutsu use outside of unsealing from scrolls in the manga. So maybe you could clarify a bit on why he can only manipulate pure chakra (even if he doesn't know that himself). Otherwise, it looks fine to me now.
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Re: Character Discussion

Unread postby Zankaru Zelladonii » April 7th, 2012, 12:57 am

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Maybe I'm misinterpreting what I'm reading. When I see "could not preform any ninjutsu beyond manipulating pure chakra", I start wondering why. He has chakra capacity, and he has chakra control. He can do water walking/etc, so his system isn't underdeveloped. Which leaves me going "then how come he can't use jutsu other than shape manipulation or control exercises?" The only thing I can think of is either that his hands and/or fingers are deformed enough to prevent performing hand seals while not inhibiting sword/bow/etc usage, or doing hand seals somehow doesn't mold his chakra any like they should.

This led me to want to ask why Konoha would bother making him a genin (if only because safely teaching him most jutsu would be quite time consuming), but as I thought it over a lot, I remembered Tenten and her lack of jutsu use outside of unsealing from scrolls in the manga. So maybe you could clarify a bit on why he can only manipulate pure chakra (even if he doesn't know that himself). Otherwise, it looks fine to me now.
I should have gone into more explanation about it, but did not want to drop a block of text on everyone.

His chakra 'fights' against doing anything but circulating naturally, he has trouble using it for anything that requires complex manipulation or using it outside his body. He does not know why, but it is a left over from a dormant bloodline on his mother's side (no, he won't be activating anything later on). He can force it to use simple abilities, and it being a technique inside his body or by touch helps, but the more complex a technique is the more his chakra fights and it actually damages his body (reason for the 2 physical power, he wont get very much higher because of it).

Even his arrow ability is not him controlling the flow of the chakra, he just pumps large amounts of chakra out of his hands while holding the arrow and fires it before it all seeps out.
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Re: Character Discussion

Unread postby Phht » April 7th, 2012, 2:24 am

It's not something you'd drop into the middle of your back story, but have a separate spoiler section below your bio spoiler section that it's dropped in. Like "<spoiler section holding bio> For those wondering about the inability to use jutsu: <spoiler section providing more detail on it>"

And typo check: Physical Power is listed as 3 in the bio at the moment.

In any case, that largely sets my mind at ease.
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Re: Character Discussion

Unread postby spudman » April 7th, 2012, 7:12 pm

Hm, so Zankaru and Ristridin's genin are joining, and Flux's and James's are already participating. That makes four. Ewuvi may or may not take over for Ushio. If not, we could just npc her on a team if need be.

Other possibles: Grey's genin, Hai, Kenta.
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